Experiments
Experiments
A few of us hired a nude model and here's a sample from the shoot:
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John
John
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Hi John seems your popping up everywhere tonight, It was a very enjoyable evening for all i hope.
So as were showing heres one of mine.
Thanks to Emma for modeling and to Paul for arranging, really enjoyed it.
Hope you like the shot i'm going to bed now as its 3:50 in the morning. YAWN
Lee
So as were showing heres one of mine.
Thanks to Emma for modeling and to Paul for arranging, really enjoyed it.
Hope you like the shot i'm going to bed now as its 3:50 in the morning. YAWN
Lee
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When Harry met Emma !
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Hi
Here's my favourite shot of the night. This is virtually streight out of the camera, just turned it into mono and adjusted the levels slightely to give it contract. There's no cropping or sharpening, I'm quite pleased with it.
Yes, I would also like to thank Emma, she was a lovely model and very patient with us, especially with me when I had technical problems. She seemed very comfortable and knew how to pose well without over doing it.
Also, thank you to Paul for organising it, and again for being patient and helping me.
Last but not least - Tom for lending me his super-duper lens, which I'm going to have to invest in once I russle up some dosharoony.
Best Wishes
Tracey
Here's my favourite shot of the night. This is virtually streight out of the camera, just turned it into mono and adjusted the levels slightely to give it contract. There's no cropping or sharpening, I'm quite pleased with it.
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Also, thank you to Paul for organising it, and again for being patient and helping me.
Last but not least - Tom for lending me his super-duper lens, which I'm going to have to invest in once I russle up some dosharoony.
Best Wishes
Tracey
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Dear All,
Paul has asked me to comment on your nude pictures and I'm in two minds of what to say???
May I start by saying well done for having a go! If you never have a go and never experiment you'll never get anywhere in life! I started out just like you have and have only arrived where I am today after shooting thousands of nude pictures. Whereas I have shown you a few of my disasters, I assure you there were many, many more along my path!
Thus, the "critique" starts... I hope you will not be offended and please take this as constructive criticism, for that is it's sole intention!
John's Picture:
First impression is of a fantastic portrait.... but you were there to shoot the nude? When you view the whole picture, there are four main elements that catch the eye...there should really only be ONE. (1. the face, 2. the tattoo, 3. the boobs, 4. "black" fingernail polish?). Try to approach the subject to create a piece of art to hang in an art gallery...rather than seeing a pretty girl, wearing no clothes. Is there a pose here or is she just kneeling down waiting for a snap to be taken? ie is this an accidental picture or was it pre-visualized and created by the artist/photographer? On a slightly more pedantic point, we shouldn't really be seeing the creases in the background paper and the picture tone appears a little like shades of grey.
Lee's Picture
Now this is good because you have clearly posed the model and you set out to achieve something that was planned. I think that the girl was standing up against the wall and this is demonstrated by the weight going through the right foot, the muscle tone of the leg and the angle of the boob. Whilst twisting the picture round certainly makes more on an "art gallery" picture, the main anomaly is the shape of the boob, breasts don't hang upwards and sadly this is something that a lot of viewers will trigger to....but otherwise an impressive effort! Nice lighting.
Tracey's picture
Tracey's picture wins my "rosette" as this is the nearest to an "art gallery" fine art nude. Tracey has seen how the lines of the body and light/darkness can be used to create an abstract figure. This picture could sell. I would be interested to discuss with the group your perception of the "nude". Men "tend" to be influenced by the breasts of a woman but here we have a woman photographer who has evidently seen them in a different form from the men...does that interest you as much as me???
If I was photographing this picture, I might have left more of the curve of the upper breast in the picture just to help the viewer recognise it a little easier as a woman's breast. Otherwise, there is a risk of it being mistaken as another part of a body, or even a man! I would probably also lift out the black spot near the armpit...was this on the model's skin or a spec of dust on your camera sensor?
Paul's Picture
I am in two minds about this one. The lighting and tonal quality are excellent but I would expect nothing less from Paul who is an experienced glamour photographer. At this stage you have to consider that just as it is difficult for me to photograph good glamour, it is just as difficult for Paul to shoot fine art nude and he is likely to veer more towards glamour-nude. When I'm teaching, the first thing I do for any session is a "mind-map" of the subject and what people are thinking about when they set out to create an image. A glamour-background photographer and a fine-art background photographer will have distinctly different thought patterns when both asked to take a pretty girl with big boobs and produce a nude picture.
Thus Paul's picture...the pose is serene and sphinx-like but this is dependent upon the facial expression and not the body, which was the real subject of the exercise. I think he could have done so much more. As a picture it's OK but it doesn't stun me, like his glamour pics do.
May I pose the group a question or perhaps a task?
Next time DON'T hire a glamour model, don't photograph someone who is instantly attracts male attention....work the body to create your image,don't be governed by the pre-conceived beauty before you. "posing" is a common element that is missing from your efforts here.
Comments are welcome, I don't expect you all to agree with me and my comments are entirely my own personal interpretations of what I've seen.
Do keep going! I should try and talk to John & Len to see if I could run a teaching session for you, where I'd bring in the models if I could.
Kind Regards
John
Paul has asked me to comment on your nude pictures and I'm in two minds of what to say???
May I start by saying well done for having a go! If you never have a go and never experiment you'll never get anywhere in life! I started out just like you have and have only arrived where I am today after shooting thousands of nude pictures. Whereas I have shown you a few of my disasters, I assure you there were many, many more along my path!
Thus, the "critique" starts... I hope you will not be offended and please take this as constructive criticism, for that is it's sole intention!
John's Picture:
First impression is of a fantastic portrait.... but you were there to shoot the nude? When you view the whole picture, there are four main elements that catch the eye...there should really only be ONE. (1. the face, 2. the tattoo, 3. the boobs, 4. "black" fingernail polish?). Try to approach the subject to create a piece of art to hang in an art gallery...rather than seeing a pretty girl, wearing no clothes. Is there a pose here or is she just kneeling down waiting for a snap to be taken? ie is this an accidental picture or was it pre-visualized and created by the artist/photographer? On a slightly more pedantic point, we shouldn't really be seeing the creases in the background paper and the picture tone appears a little like shades of grey.
Lee's Picture
Now this is good because you have clearly posed the model and you set out to achieve something that was planned. I think that the girl was standing up against the wall and this is demonstrated by the weight going through the right foot, the muscle tone of the leg and the angle of the boob. Whilst twisting the picture round certainly makes more on an "art gallery" picture, the main anomaly is the shape of the boob, breasts don't hang upwards and sadly this is something that a lot of viewers will trigger to....but otherwise an impressive effort! Nice lighting.
Tracey's picture
Tracey's picture wins my "rosette" as this is the nearest to an "art gallery" fine art nude. Tracey has seen how the lines of the body and light/darkness can be used to create an abstract figure. This picture could sell. I would be interested to discuss with the group your perception of the "nude". Men "tend" to be influenced by the breasts of a woman but here we have a woman photographer who has evidently seen them in a different form from the men...does that interest you as much as me???
If I was photographing this picture, I might have left more of the curve of the upper breast in the picture just to help the viewer recognise it a little easier as a woman's breast. Otherwise, there is a risk of it being mistaken as another part of a body, or even a man! I would probably also lift out the black spot near the armpit...was this on the model's skin or a spec of dust on your camera sensor?
Paul's Picture
I am in two minds about this one. The lighting and tonal quality are excellent but I would expect nothing less from Paul who is an experienced glamour photographer. At this stage you have to consider that just as it is difficult for me to photograph good glamour, it is just as difficult for Paul to shoot fine art nude and he is likely to veer more towards glamour-nude. When I'm teaching, the first thing I do for any session is a "mind-map" of the subject and what people are thinking about when they set out to create an image. A glamour-background photographer and a fine-art background photographer will have distinctly different thought patterns when both asked to take a pretty girl with big boobs and produce a nude picture.
Thus Paul's picture...the pose is serene and sphinx-like but this is dependent upon the facial expression and not the body, which was the real subject of the exercise. I think he could have done so much more. As a picture it's OK but it doesn't stun me, like his glamour pics do.
May I pose the group a question or perhaps a task?
Next time DON'T hire a glamour model, don't photograph someone who is instantly attracts male attention....work the body to create your image,don't be governed by the pre-conceived beauty before you. "posing" is a common element that is missing from your efforts here.
Comments are welcome, I don't expect you all to agree with me and my comments are entirely my own personal interpretations of what I've seen.
Do keep going! I should try and talk to John & Len to see if I could run a teaching session for you, where I'd bring in the models if I could.
Kind Regards
John
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OK here is one of my shots
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Re: Experiments with Nudes
It was an interesting and enjoyable exercise.
Just to pick up on John's points regarding my picture of Emma, this particular shot was a candid taken as I was setting up another image. I really used it just to show that we were all having a good time, including the model!
It's interesting that it has received better than average response on EPZ, probably because of the smile, but the other one that has done well is this one:
Just to pick up on John's points regarding my picture of Emma, this particular shot was a candid taken as I was setting up another image. I really used it just to show that we were all having a good time, including the model!
It's interesting that it has received better than average response on EPZ, probably because of the smile, but the other one that has done well is this one:
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John
John
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There are lots of different approaches to the nude and none of them are the right way as opposed to the wrong way.
I'd actually quite like to do a sequence where people just turned up at a studio, took off their clothes and just posed however they wanted for one shot. And then got dressed and went away again.
I think that would make for an interesting set of images for an exhibition.
I'd actually quite like to do a sequence where people just turned up at a studio, took off their clothes and just posed however they wanted for one shot. And then got dressed and went away again.
I think that would make for an interesting set of images for an exhibition.
Best regards
John
John
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I'd actually quite like to do a sequence where people just turned up at a studio, took off their clothes and just posed however they wanted for one shot. And then got dressed and went away again.
Yes I think you would get a wide variation in the styles of shots, and would get some good images.
You first LOL
Yes I think you would get a wide variation in the styles of shots, and would get some good images.
You first LOL
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John's idea has been done several times with exhibition and subsequent books published...I even tried out the idea myself in the 90's when I paid for an advert in London's "Time Out" Magazine. The advert read "Dare To Bare, full nudity, no pay, pure art Tel: 07946477005"....30 women contacted me and I photographed 20 of them over two days (the rest were very strange people!). Half were from the UK and half were foreign nationals passing through London on holiday!
This re-inforces my belief that you don't have to pay a woman to take her clothes off for fine art.
John
This re-inforces my belief that you don't have to pay a woman to take her clothes off for fine art.
John
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Thanks John for the critique spot on with the model standing, i actually had in mind before composing the shot that it was to be spun because i couldn't think how to get her in that pose lieing down on the floor and never thought about the effects it has. I am knocking a platform up for future shoots so it will be easier.
Heres another that i prefer a lot more but hasn't done to well on epz. Even though i tried to dislocate emmas arms for this one i think it works and as i said twisting the arms does bring out the muscle in the back as well as showing a nice touch of the spine.
Heres another that i prefer a lot more but hasn't done to well on epz. Even though i tried to dislocate emmas arms for this one i think it works and as i said twisting the arms does bring out the muscle in the back as well as showing a nice touch of the spine.